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This page needs serious work


I tried to clean it up somewhat - it was totally disorganized and littered with obviously false joke statements and NPOV interjections - but it's still pretty atrocious, and I'm not sure how much of it is true. Ugh. -Elmer Clark 04:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

May you can see id the info is right online like on http://pilkey.com/ or go on other sites. --Gemini531 22:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to clean it because I'm a fan of him but I'm really busy now doing other clean up. he iz so kool - Cute 1 4 u 01:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't really clean it up but i'll add the tag.-- Cute 1 4 u 07:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
what do u mean it needs to be givin more info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey this page is disorganized with everyone's statements but i'm leaving one too so i can't say anything but I l.o.v.e. your books and I hope you write some more cause you have a great talent no one else has! see U later! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sue Denim?


Why does this article redirect from "Sue Denim"? There's no mention of it on this page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 12:21, 3 May 2007

Pilkey used the pseudonym Sue Denim as the author of his Dumb Bunnies series. --Oddharmonic 04:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is this right?


In the beginning of the article, it says he wrote the Captain Underpants and The Adventures of Super Diaper baby at age 12. Is this right? --Firesun 14:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No it is not right. He started writing about Captain Underpants and "Diaper Man" at age 8. "Diaper Man" eventually became both a hero and a villain in Dav's books. He became the villainous Dr. Diaper in the first Captain Underpants epic novel and the heroic Super Diaper Baby in the epic graphic novel The Adventures of Super Diaper Baby. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Release dates


Does anybody know anything about the release date of any of Dav's next books? The last C.U. book was released in 2006, and his website hasn't been updated since then. >_> (talk) 08:40, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's because Dav's been taking a break for a few years, so he can help his ill father. Oh, wait and there will be a book from him that will be reasuled in August 2010-- (talk) 23:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)I got it its called The Adventures of Ook and Gluk Kung Fu Cavemen From the Future. It is cool. I got the last copy of it in the shop. Shnupbups (talk) 11:09, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quotation from The Educational Book & Media Association


The quotation needs to be properly cited, or paraphrased. If keeping as a quote, it should be framed as a cquote. Better to paraphrase and cite the actual publication containing this quotation.Trashbird1240 (talk) 20:47, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]



This is Dav Pilkey. I moved to the Seattle, WA area in 1999 and NOT with Cynthia Rylant. The biographical reference cited is incorrect. The newest biography written about me has a lot of misinformation too. I also do NOT see why any past relationship with any famous person is relevant in wikipedia unless the relationship had a significant influence on the person's career (which was not the case with Cynthia Rylant, just pure happenstance that we are both authors). Wikipedia should not be a gossip page. (talk) 15:26, 14 July 2013 (UTC)Dav Pilkey — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:16, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I removed this source, because, like I pointed out in that WP:Edit summary, Answers.com is not a WP:Reliable source. And, like I noted, with this edit, it's probably an old WP:MIRROR version of this article. There also appears to be other non-WP:Reliable sources used in this article. As for what you can do about ensuring that this article is up to the standards of WP:BLP (biographies of living persons), an editor pointed you to WP:BLPCOMPLAIN. Flyer22 (talk) 18:45, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please point us to published sources (see WP:Reliable sources) that give the facts. I see that a published book by Alice McGinty about Cynthia Rylant (2004), shows quite clearly on page 76 that Pilkey and Rylant moved to Eugene, Oregon in 1990. If you simply keep deleting cited material, you will eventually be blocked from editing. Instead of just deleting things, why don't you list some reliable, published sources that will help us to improve the article? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:45, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This was an UNAUTHORIZED biography of my life. I am Dav Pilkey. I do NOT want to use legal action to pursue this which I chose not to use against the unauthorized biography. Please delete Cynthia Rylant's name. I also moved to the Seattle, WA area in 1999. There are too many articles written about me that are incorrect. Wikipedia is a source many people turn to and I would appreciate it if this paragraph is deleted. It does not enhance the article. I am not familiar with the computer language and deleted the material without giving proper reasons. How must I prove that I am Dav Pilkey? (talk) 00:43, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Dav Pilkey[reply]

See Wikipedia:Contact us - Subjects. You can send an email to info-en-q@wikimedia.org. To Ssilvers, I don't see why that paragraph needs to be included. Just because it's cited doesn't mean it's correct. Just leave it out; let it go. Zagalejo^^^ 05:52, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Zagalejo. I appreciate your help. I did send an email to info-en@wikimedia.org. I also appreciate your comment regarding correct information. I feel this is a huge problem these days. People do not thoroughly check their sources and feel just because it is in print, it is true. I feel the paragraph is irrelevant because Cynthia Rylant did not influence my career. It's unfortunate nowadays, if one dates someone from the same profession, it is considered, "news". How ridiculous. If she had an impact on my career whether negative or positive, it should definitely be included. She is someone I dated and I dated many other people who have had much more of a significant impact on my life. I think mentioning her in the article, leads people to believe our relationship was a lot more serious. (talk) 11:08, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Dav Pilkey[reply]
The problem here is that we have an anonymous IP claiming to be the subject of the article and wanting a referenced section removed. Even if the anonymous editor is the subject of the article s/he needs to provide a referenced source showing that the disputed section ahould be removed. Many times in the past we have had people with articles about them on Wiki wanting sections on Wiki removed because they did not like them or disagreed with them. Jack1956 (talk) 06:55, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why do we need a published source to remove something like this? It's not a crucial detail. It wouldn't change people's opinion of him either way. The article could survive without it. In my experience, most of the people who claim to be article subjects are exactly who they claim to be. (The ones who are lying are usually pretty obvious, and lose interest quickly.) Zagalejo^^^ 00:51, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am not familiar with how wikipedia works. I did send an email to complain. I disagree with the MISINFORMATION. It has nothing to do with disliking the material. This has become a problem, not only on Wikipedia but from other sources. How do I prove I moved to the Seattle area in 1999? I bought a condo on Bainbridge Island, WA in 1999. Do you need to see the title? I did NOT move there with Cynthia Rylant although we did date. We did not live together. The article is misleading. (talk) 10:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Dav Pilkey Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).DavPilkey www.pilkey.com[reply]

Would you be happy if we changed it to "they dated for a period"? Jack1956 (talk) 11:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Then you need to write all of the people I dated, some people I dated for much longer. I am an author/illustrator NOT a hollywood person. Who I dated is irrelevant UNLESS she had a negative, positive or some sort of impact on my career. It really makes no sense and it does not enhance the article. (talk) 11:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Dav Pilkey[reply]

I don't know how to send a message directly to you, but I do appreciate your interest in my biography. Unfortunately, my personal life just isn't as interesting as people would like to believe. :-) I moved to the Seattle area in 1999, not 2005. Thanks. (talk) 11:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Dav Pilkey[reply]

I'm getting tired of repeating myself, but you have offered no evidence whatsoever that Dav Pilkey moved to Seattle in 1999. On the other hand, we have several published sources that agree that he moved to Eugene, Oregon with Cynthia Rylant and her son, with whom he lived for several years. Therefore, this is an important episode in Pilkey's life, and deleting it without any evidence whatsoever is whitewashing the article. It doesn't matter whether you are Dav Pilkey -- it matters that you have not offered any evidence to back up the version of the facts that you would like us to reflect. Simply deleting well-referenced material from the encyclopedia is vandalism, and you certainly shouldn't be vandalizing Rylant's article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 12:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry but I am not familiar with Wikipedia, so I may have not properly deleted or edited this page. The "several published" sources are incorrect. We are trying to correct misinformation only. We are not "whitewashing the article". I have the greatest respect for Cynthia Rylant and she also agrees: We never lived together. I moved to the Seattle area in 1999. You may asked Cynthia Rylant herself. I'm not sure what kind of evidence you are looking for other than the media which gets facts wrong quite frequently. I am not that famous of an author to warrant your concern. The material is not well-referenced as noted in previous discussion by previous contributors. I have written to wikipedia and I will continue to correct the dates and the fact that Cynthia Rylant and I did not live together as boyfriend and girlfriend. It harms her reputation as well. Again, I truly appreciate your concern but is this really that important to you? The only "evidence" I can offer is myself and Cynthia Rylant. Why are you looking at the media which can distort facts. I am struggling to understand what type of evidence I can offer you. I will have to update my website and show when I moved to Seattle, etc. Again, I am not trying to "whitewash" the article. I really do feel the information is just plain wrong and I have been trying to correct the references too. It takes such a long time to prove oneself. Someone impersonated me on Facebook. I had problems with Google posting a picture of someone who was not me. It took such a long time to remove but finally, it was removed. It is a constant battle. I don't want to give people the wrong impression about me or Cynthia Rylant. I hope you will understand my frustration. Thank you for taking the time to read my post and for your patience with my inexperience with Wikipedia. (talk) 13:41, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Dav Pilkey[reply]
Here is one of the pages from McGinty's book with the information: click here. Do you mean to say that you cannot point us to even *one* interview or article that shows that Pilkey did not move to Eugene Oregon with Rylant and her son for some years? -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:52, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The book is wrong. There are other sources that have taken from each other the same wrong information. Cynthia Rylant and I have never given a personal interview about us living together in Eugene, OR - because we never did live together or move together. We have had many, many problems in the past, with wrong information - even from our publishers. It's quite amazing what people say or do to get some sort of "story". (talk) 14:10, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Dav Pilkey[reply]

The book discusses Pilkey's relationship with Rylant in some detail and mentions Pilkey on several pages, not just p. 76. It says that he went to Eugene, Oregon to look at the house in advance of their moving there. If Pilkey's website gave an alternative account of events in the 1990s, we could cite that in this article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:55, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If the reliability of the Rylant book is disputed, I would be okay with removing that reference. One editor (Dav Pikey) is disputing it. I'm neutral, so far. The ORRT ref however, appears to be a good citation.
  • remove the Rylant book cite
  • remove the famousauthors web cite DONE
  • retain the ORRT cite
  • retain the article text that's cited to ORRT
Comment re: Dav Pilkey's website. Its a promotional site for him and his work, written for children. There's already a biographical section, but its pretty abstract. I don't think he wants to change that. One compromise might be for Dav to create a temporary page on his website written for "adults" with strictly concrete biographical material. Wiki editors could then use WebCite to archive the page. Dav would be free to remove or update the page afterward- once its been cited and archived.--R.S. Peale (talk) 21:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As for the rest, whether a source is authorized or unauthorized, sanctioned or approved is irrelevant to Wikipedia. What matters here is whether or not its a reliable source. To dispute claims by an otherwise reliable source one can only cite claims by another RS. --R.S. Peale (talk) 21:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, R.S. Peale. The book by McGinty is a biography of Cynthia Rylant. McGinty is an award-winning author, and a review of the book says: "This biography is both comprehensive and engaging and written for children to understand." (search for "McGinty"). The book gets 5 stars on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Cynthia-Rylant-Library-Author-Biographies/dp/B005Q86QV8 It seems to be a very clear WP:RS. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:28, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That does makes it seem more supportable. Dav would be better off finding alternate sources to support his version than trying to undercut (one of) the current sources for the article.--R.S. Peale (talk) 21:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Alice B. McGinty's book about Cynthia Rylant had only ONE person review it and no one is really buying the book (check the rankings). If she is such an "award-winning" author, why don't you make a wikipedia page for her. Her book is incorrect. Anyone can get a book published nowadays. One can self-publish. Can you imagine what will happen if everyone uses self-published books as "sources" for writing biographies? This is very unprofessional of any person who claims to be a biographer. (talk) 23:36, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Dav Pilkey[reply]
R. S. Peale, I agree with your idea above that if Pilkey added a bio page for adults to his website that discusses what he did in the 1990s, we could rely on that, under the BLP guideline, to remove conflicting information from this page. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I changed "lived with" to dated. This is a fact. Cynthia Rylant and Dav Pilkey never lived together. Thanks for removing the dates. The Pilkey website will be updated in the future. Just for all of your information, does not matter if you are an "award winning" author. Depends on the award and the people who gave the award. It doesn't matter if Amazon gave it 5 stars. How many people read the book and gave the 5 star review - one?? I believe Wikipedia needs to find RELIABLE sources, otherwise it becomes a place of only people's opinions -which is really what this "TALK" page is about. (talk) 23:07, 15 July 2013 (UTC)davpilkey[reply]

I will continue to dispute McGinty's book and other sources that write incorrect or misleading information. I still do NOT believe adding the piece of information about Cynthia Rylant enhances the biographical information. In fact, it reads poorly. It reads like someone "stuck" it in there for gossip sake. Dav Pilkey and Cynthia Rylant lived in two different houses in Eugene, OR and NEVER, EVER lived together as boyfriend and girlfriend. I think the McGinty author must have assumed they lived together because they both moved there together around the same time and were dating. The biography section read much better without this paragraph. Please take in account Zagalejo's comment above. Thanks. (talk) 23:26, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Dav Pilkey Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).[reply]

The Dav Pilkey biography is currently of poor quality. It does not discuss most of the details of his life and career after his childhood, and it does not discuss or analyze his works. It is hardly more than a stub article with a list of works. It will improve over time, but only when someone does the research. Just so you can see what is possible in this encyclopedia, here are examples of Wikipedia's best biographies of writers: Wikipedia:FA#Literature and theatre biographies. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:40, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure exactly what you're responding to here, but as a general point, we shouldn't feel compelled to pad out the article with every detail we find. The McGinty book is clearly a biography made for children, and while I don't want to disparage the whole field of juvenile nonfiction, we should give the book the weight it deserves. We shouldn't assume it's a piece of rigorous scholarship. Zagalejo^^^ 00:51, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why even insert the paragraph of Pilkey moving to Eugene, OR and then to Seattle, WA if you are not going to put a timeline of where Pilkey lived from 1966 until present. He doesn't currently live in Seattle, WA. It really seems irrelevant and awkward. Why not list all of the people he dated too. Cynthia Rylant isn't the only famous person he dated. References #4 and #5 are not properly sourced and are not qualified to be encyclopedic references. Is it to direct people Cynthia Rylant's website? In order to create a better biography, it's best to delete sources that have not done good research. (talk) 12:26, 16 July 2013 (UTC)Dav Pilkey Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).davpilkey[reply]

People come here to read articles which provide a reasonably detailed picture of the topic. In the case of people they want to read a bit about the life of the subject, what inspired them, what motivated them, even what moulded them. They do not want just a list of books written. I am not familiar with Mr Pilkey or his work, but I would want to know a bit about his life if I came here for his article. Obviously the person best placed to write about Mr Pilkey is Mr Pilkey. If he disputes the information in his article who is better placed or more knowledgeable about the subject to be able to provide accurate sources and references to correct the article if it needs correcting. Jack1956 (talk) 21:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, I would like to say sorry to Mr Pilkey because I have absolutely no idea who you are, but if I had come across you then I would have wanted to know more about you and so I would have wanted to read your WP entry. I have read this thread to its entirety and have to agree with Ssilvers. WP is only as reliable as its sources and if there is information on here with a source thats wrong, then your issue should be with the author of the initial source. Having said that, not every source is reliable and we the editors have to follow some quite stringent policies in terms of finding reliable sources. As you will well know Mr Pilkey, a biography covers somebody's life, that includes a private life section. If there are things within your private life you don't want discussed then you can't blame us as we are taking that information from sources provided to us by authors. WP has an element of freedom of speech about it and as long as its not POV pushing or libellous, then anything which is deemed notable or interesting can be added as long as it has a reliable source. If the issue is still there, then another source that says contrary to that would have to be found and a comparison in terms of reliability would have to be made. -- CassiantoTalk 09:34, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Content removed


I've reasonably authenticated via OTRS that the request made above by the unregistered user is in fact a genuine request by the subject. Agents can access the communications at VRTS ticket # 2013071510000292. I've removed the information pursuant to WP:BLPSOURCES and WP:BLPGOSSIP. While this information has been published in a book, it is disputed by the subject and has not been independently covered in other reliable sources. The subject has agreed to add a brief biography which can then be archived for posterity, but while we're waiting for those changes I believe removal is justified. I'll update here when I have additional verification to offer. LFaraone 17:14, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See http://pilkey.com/#meet-dav , archived at http://www.webcitation.org/6IBtF8KMc. LFaraone 23:53, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. Compare this and this profile from Greater Dayton public television, as well as the book that was cited. Three reliable sources vs. an SPS. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:52, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
South Coast Today said in 2002 that they dated and lived "just down the street", which doesn't really jive with the Ohio Reading Road Trip article's statement that "they moved to Oregon together". In any case, I'm frankly confused why there is such persistence in discussing the subject's dating habits. LFaraone 19:39, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with LFaraone's confusion on why there so much weight placed on inclusion of this set of details, not to mention that BLPs are not in the business of parroting everything that sources, even if they are reliable, have to say about their relations. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 20:13, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@LFaraone: I agree that we don't need every detail in every article. For context: it may help to see which details the two parties agreed upon in older versions of their personal websites. http://web.archive.org/web/20021206054214/http://www.pilkey.com/abdavs.htm is an older copy of Pilkey's website (from 2002) it states states 1993 was the time both moved to Oregon. I'm pointing out that Pilkey's site, Rylant's site, and secondary sources can be cross-checked here, but again we don't have to include the minutae of their moves at all: even after considering them it's OK to say the minutae is not needed. Now as for "dating habits" we don't need to list every single romantic partner that a person has. However Pilkey dated Rylant for at least 15 years, and that was a huge chunk of his life. In my opinion it would be an omission in a biography to not state that he had a long-term partner (who is a public figure due to her children's book writing, has her own Wikipedia article, and who had editing marks on a dummy proof (draft) of Captain Underpants held by a university library that has Pilkey's personal papers) @I Jethrobot: I also agree with you re: not everything needs to be parroted in a biography, so it would be best to consider which information should be included and how. All I'm interested in is saying that Pilkey had Rylant as a former romantic partner. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:13, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Secondary source stating that Pilkey and Rylant moved together in 1993: Miller, Karen (2003-12-07). "Kids love him, but adults aren't sure. Here's the poop on Captain Underpants". York Daily Record. p. 6. - Clipping from Newspapers.com WhisperToMe (talk) 00:23, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Cynthia Rylant


Some may wonder why I'm mentioning that she was his girlfriend. This was actually a close relationship since:

WhisperToMe (talk) 03:11, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In light of the previous discussion, I agree the BLP doesn't need to include every single detail. I just cited what's verifiable according to a published newspaper (that Pilkey and Rylant had a relationship), and in the case of the marriage to his wife Sayuri, to his personal website. I'll need to find published independent secondary sources (ones consistent with details from personal websites) for other details. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:43, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and added the spouse and former partner to the infobox - President of Pakistan Imran Khan and Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi have their unmarried romantic partners listed in their infoboxes too (though Khashoggi was planning to marry Hatice Cengiz) WhisperToMe (talk) 21:23, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kojisasuke: Concerning this edit, the page with the Dav Pilkey papers says: "Manuscripts -- The Adventures of Captain Underpants, dummy proof with editing marks by Cynthia Rylant, [1996]" - This mean she actively helped Pilkey edit the book, right? WhisperToMe (talk) 22:07, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

1. Cynthia Rylant did NOT help edit his books. This is another mistake in reporting. She proofread some of his books. Other people who have looked over his books have never, ever been mentioned. Here is a blatant case of another author or illustrator taking credit for Pilkey's independent work. It seems people want to take credit for doing spellcheck or slightly moving artwork over one space and then have their names attached to actually doing the art or helping with the editing and writing. This happens frequently to Dav Pilkey because he happens to be very kind to the people he encounters. If you correct a word that is misspelled or change minor grammatical errors, I don't think that counts as editing. This is called proofreading. If she influenced the story or changed the story or made the story better, this is called editing. Pilkey stated he was frequently misquoted and frequently misrepresented but it was because he wasn't very well known at the time and many of the reporters were sloppy in checking their story. 2. Same as above. 3. True but then you have to give credit to her cat not to her. If you are going to mention people who have actually influenced Pilkey's work, Rylant is not important. I think you should have mentioned his principal who was based on Mr. Krupp or his neighbor, who is the Paperboy (which won the Caldecott Honor). 4. NOT true. He made a card for her based on Dragon. She did NOT inspire the character of Dragon or Dragon's Halloween.

She happened to be in his life at the time his career took off with Captain Underpants. She had nothing to do with his career taking off. In fact, Pilkey has stated that she resented his success.

@2601:600:c67f:1590:d492:6973:d4e3:f53c: As per Wikipedia:Verifiability: "Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of editors." This means that published sources should be the basis of article content. It's possible that misquotations may happen from time to time, but without published information to the contrary I have nothing else to go on.

  • 1. If the university is mistaken in writing: "Manuscripts -- The Adventures of Captain Underpants, dummy proof with editing marks by Cynthia Rylant, [1996]" you should contact the university and ask them to change the page. If the page isn't changed by the university, then it stands that she made editing marks in the manuscript. In any case my objective with this isn't to highlight Rylant's role over other people's, but instead to show that she was a significant figure in his life and that her romantic relationship should be mentioned in a single sentence in a section about his personal life.
  • 2. Pilkeys quotes in both sources seem to support what the university stated on its page.
  • 3. If say information was written about the book and how it was created, the reader won't know why Pilkey chose the cat as the inspiration: he chose the cat because it was his girlfriend's cat.
  • 4. I did not say that she directly was the inspiration: I stated that the inspiration came from a birthday card he made for her, which is exactly what he stated on the page.

WhisperToMe (talk) 01:34, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Publication lists


Suggest removing the lists of "Captain Underpants" and "Ricky Ricotta's Mighty Robot" series, but keeping the links to their respective series' main articles. This would prevent the respective redundant lists from getting out of sync with each other due to frequent new publications, which is currently the case with "Captain Underpants". Acwilson9 (talk) 04:08, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]